BTW – here is what the Legacy looks like:

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/05/benjamin-legacy.html

I usually pick up a fresh tub of spackle with every new order of pellets. I am happy to hear you are enjoying your new quiet killer. Crosman hit a home run with this rifle.

Dino

Here’s another couple of questions:

1) Do the FRONT stock screws go straight in from the side, or do they go in and upwards at an angle?

2) What’s the distance between the front and rear main stock screws? Don’t try to measure from screw head to screw head. Measure the distance straight, in line with the rifle, from the centerline of the screws.

the problem is solved and it was not the scope, as you suspected. It turned out to be the conversion mounts I bought at a local gun store that converted my dove tail mounts to Weaver. The mounts were uneven but my quick installation resulted in the rings not fully engaging the bases. The scope was still moving around and that apparently was the cause of my POI not moving. Once that was cleared up, I did have to shim the rear scope in order to get the POI up into an adjustable range. Long story short, the scope is zeroed and I have several holes in the wall to spackle.

Fred PRoNJ

all I can say is, “wow”. This moves pellet selection to a whole, new dimension. If I ever get to Olympic quality, this is the way to go. Until then, I’ve got a lot of miles to cover, starting with what turned out to be balky scope mounts but see my comment to BB above.

Fred PRoNJ

just catching up on comments. I don’t think I was very clear in my comment above but the elevation knob from full bottom to full top, does not change the POI of the pellet. That’s why I think the scope is FUBAR. But, I’ll give it another try this evening. I had thought of shimming the scope, also, but refrained after noticing no POI movement regardless of the amount I moved the adjustment knob.

Fred PRoNJ

Come on! Think about what you are asking.

When you push the brush from breech to muzzle, how do you get it back out of the bore? By pulling it back again. That’s one time forward and one time back.

Do that 20 times.

B.B.

I don’t think your scope is ruined. It’s just at the top of the adjustment range and there isn’t any more “up.” You need to shim the rear mount and get the scope into the middle of the adjustment range.

B.B.

Thank you sir for the time and effort you expended doing the research, writting, and illustrating this blog.

This is a link that kevin posted awhile back that you’ll find fascinating. http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1189430606/Pellet+sorting+-+inspection+-+batching+-+my+present+ultimate+s. The author posts under Yrrah on the yellow.

Mr B.

If it is based on one of those actions, then you could probably use the sporter-style stock that came from the factory, and might be available from Crosman as replacement parts. The Legacy had a traditional wood stock, while the Quest variants came with a few different styles, 2 wood (Quest/Storm XT, Sierra Pro/Remington Summit) and one synthetic (Phantom/Tac-1 Extreme)

These danged new-fangled contraptions cause great consternation!

Best to contact them by phone: 1-800-7AIRGUN (724-7486)

Otherwise I would look at Woods and Waters Outdoors

http://www.woodsandwateroutdoors.com/

email: stevejcorcoran@wmconnect.com

rikib

I took the 4 x 16 Leapers scope off my RWS 350 and installed it on the Marauder. First shot in my “under construction” indoor range was right and low. Couple of twists of the windage knob and I’m in line with the bull. Couple of twists of the elevation knob and, I’m still low. Couple more twists, still low. Go to the end of the the adjustment range and, the damn POI hasn’t moved. My RWS350 has destroyed my scope! I’ll call Leapers Monday and see if I can claim warranty repairs.

However, the 10 shot group from this rifle with, first Crosman Premier Heavies (10+ gr) and then H&N Baracudas (7.3 gr?)was 1/2 inch. Subtract the pellet head diameter and it’s even smaller! Of course, this is from 28′. This Marauder is, without a doubt, the most accurate rifle I’ve ever shot. The sound – there is none. Just the noise of the hammer hitting the valve – the “ping” that everyone talks about. What a great rifle for the price – there is absolutely nothing out there that can touch this rifle in this price range.

Fred PRoNJ

Well it has been almost a week, but I’m finally back online. Read most comments can’t say read all as there were 350+. It’s great to be back online Making this short in order to make sure everything’s working right. I use a netbook wireless routed off wife’s computer. Had a lot of problems installing new modem to her computer. I’ll check back shortly.

rikib

But it’s a lot easier to loose power this way than to raise it. I think you’d find that by and large the SSP’s are optimized at the factory settings, so there’s really no where to go but down.

I need to move. I used to be a microbrew swiller, but finances have forced me to stick to Miller HIGH LIFE. It is as cheap as it gets around here, but I still cant find the kind of deals you are getting. Think of all the rifles I could buy with my savings.

As I understand it, SPN guns are primarily used for relatively short range target shooting. What they lack it power, they make up for in accuracy due to consistency in FPS and barrel quality. This keeps it accurate for the range it was intended.

If you want to adjust FPS get a decent multi-pump pneumatic.

The third one.

While I am not able to avoid marital discord, I do have a way of shifting conversations my way when it comes to airguns…. sometimes.

Example:

Her: Is that ANOTHER airgun?!

Me: Yes, its another airgun, you know I have more than one.

Her: I mean, is it a NEW airgun?

Me: This one? No, it isn’t new, date of manufacture is printed on the side, 2005 see?

Her: I don’t think I’ve seen that one before.

Me: That is because they ALL look the same to you. Its just like me with you and your sandles. I never know the difference.. wait…. are THOSE sandles new?

Her: Do you smell something burning? I need to check the oven. (Her makes a hasty retreat)

I do feel bad about the deception, I like it better when she just waves her hand and rolls her eyes with disgust.

Cheers to you Mate.

On a single-pump pneumatic gun, is there any way to vary the FPS? Not even increase it, Necessarily, just manipulate it up or down. I want to understand the ‘how’ of the guns workings.

Thanks

Sometimes generic pop 25 cents in a machine.

Summer special of pop 5 dollars a case.

$5.99 for a 12 pack of beer is about as good as it gets for something cheap and decent…or non Olympia. I hit a holiday special….case of MGD for $9.99.

If you hit the right…gas is about $2.59 to $2.69 a gallon.

When you say to use the JB Bore Cleaning Paste 20 times in each direction, do you mean 20 from breech to muzzle, followed by 20 muzzle to breech, or alternating directions until reaching 20 each way?

Thanks,
Dino

The short answer is no–you must shoot the rifle. If you keep at it, you will get better with the artillery hold.

I will answer your question more completely in Monday’s blog.

B.B.

twotalon

twotalon

In any case, being able to shoot a 192/200 is pretty good in the offhand with such a light rifle. Because the Challenger is heavier, it might show some improvement. Back in the day, I shot a mean offhand, but after rupturing a disk, I can’t stand long enough to finish so many shots without either pain, or complete numbness in my leg. I even have trouble shooting pistol.

Thanks so much for the info! Much appreciated!

Regards,
Victor

Wife:
“What is that?”
Me:
“……..”
“Where did that gun come from?”
Me:
“Er..I’ve had it ages”
Wife:
“No you bloody haven’t”
Me:
“Look,I traded my old one OK.This is the rifle I would have bought if YOU had let me in the first place.”
(Note:Defence moves to attack)
Wife:
“Right,you are going to pay for this”
(Note:A Positive statement.An acceptance of the new rifle on a quid pro quo basis)
Me:
“Ok love,whatever you want,let me know”
(Note:That $500 rifle will end up costing near $1000 when shoes,bags and trips away are factored in)

The shame of it is,my missus like a lot of women,is a pretty good shot and on the rare occasion she has a go,really enjoys shooting.
I blame the ‘Barbie’ dolls

Thank you Fred PRoNJ for a great post and a lot of research on our behalf.
DaveUK

Not only do I get to play with my Marauder (I don’t have any 11mm dovetail scope mounts in my collection – only Weaver. Now I have to go out tomorrow and buy a dovetail to Picatinny convertor – d’oh!) but I’ve finished the conversion of my 20+ year old bike. It now sports STI Sora brifters and a megarange freewheel. Too bad it’s going to pour tomorrow. Just have to keep myself happy with the big M.

Fred PRoNJ

Thanks for the excellent guest blog.

Did you ever consider the subtle effect of marks from a Sharpie on a pellet would have on accuracy? Kind of boggles the mind doesn’t it? It boggles mine anyway. So many variables.

Have fun with your new Marauder my friend. It will be worth almost every bit of grief your old lady gives you.

I have a TX200 Mark III as well. It gave me fits when I first got it. It was shooting about a foot and a half low and scattering pellets like buckshot. It didn’t even like AirArms pellets! I don’t know if she just settled down one day and decided to behave, or I learned something about parallax or follow through, but it soon became the easiest rifle I have ever laid hands on to shoot accurately.

How many pellets have you been through so far?

Name all the pellets you have tried.

My particular TX likes Crosman Premier Lights.

Also, be careful slamming that underlever home. It likes to mess up the little rubber bumper. Go to Home Depot and get some O rings to put into the two grooves in the front of the underlever if you haven’t already done so.

I really like the TX. It is worth every last single penny it costs. And it costs quite a few of them. The bluing looks like black chrome.

after further review and thought, you guys are right. I DID reverse the targets for this blog!! Goes to show I need to keep better notes. My apologies to everyone.

Fred PRoNJ

the Marauder arrive!!!! It was a lot of driving today to pick up the rifle from my friend in Pennsyltucky and then drive out to my business appointments on Long Island, NY. Only problem is I didn’t do a good job of disguising it when I got home just now and now everyone, including the wifey, knows. Things might get a bit ugly later……

Fred PRoNJ

Fred PRonj

thank you for the kind words. When I shot the closer target in my basement, I was shooting “off-hand”. My rifle was in my palm but my elbow was used as the resting point so there was more movement involved plus I was standing up. The second target was made using a true “bench rest” position for a spring piston rifle. Trust me, if I shot at the second target the same way as the first, it would appear to have been shot with a shotgun with a full open choke!

Fred PRoNJ

the targets are correctly inserted in the Blog. Yes the groups look neater in the second one, shot at 35 yards, than the first one shot at 9 yards but the measurements tell the story. I purposely used bullseye “f” as I thought my groups would expand more and perhaps overlap on bullseye “c”.

Fred

I don’t shoot for score. Enough accuracy for killing things is all I need.
Deformed or loose pellets are not adequate for this purpose.They are nearly always fliers.

twotalon

More recently but still quite a while ago I was in Japan. A beer( American or Japanese) cost $4.00 down town. I think it was mostly their economy there.
They had a McDonalds down town too, but I was afraid to find out what a Big Mac would cost.

We had a Burger King on base (Kadena)…Standard American prices.
Cheapest prices for food…chow hall. Not the worst I ever had, but cheap.

twotalon

J-F

But I digress, and will now ask a question.
I’m going to try the above ’sniper’ shot this summer. Does anyone have scope recommendations for my Slavia 630. I know the according to b.b. I have to order the BRK rings with the 14mm base. My dealer carries Hawke and Leapers.

twotalon

What kind of gun are you shooting to get the 192/200, and in what position? Just curious.

Regards,
Victor

twotalon

twotalon

twotalon

twotalon

Yes, I have the graphite Dewey rod. Thanks for the cleaning tips. I’ll try the straws but it’ll mean eating more fast food until I find the right size.

Gene,
Thanks for reminding me of the flexible rods/ropes/whatever. I forgot about them. I’ll try Kevin’s idea first since I have the Dewey rod already and the front is an easy reach. I’ll pay attention to the breech area when clean it since right now I don’t know how easy it is to access the barrel from there.
-CJr

Nice write up. I have to admit I am usually too lazy weigh every pellet. I will test types to see if they are acceptable, and that’s about it. I never miss the chance to spare others disappointment, so avoid .25 caliber Milbro Rhinos. Advertised on the tin as 19.1 grains they actually run from 17.1 to 18.7. They were the least consistent of anything I every measured.

Of course the pointed pellets you’re using ad the variable of the point itself, so if a reader wants to ring every last ounce of accuracy out of his rifle they should stick to a round nose.

I have to agree with Kevin that the targets are flip flopped in the posting, or the farther away the target is the better you get. In which case you are stone cold killer at 35 yards.

Thanks for blog!

I am really impressed with the UTG mounting system. I seems rock solid, although I wish I would have ordered the low rings. I have a 40mm objective and it’s sitting way, way up high.

Dean, what have you found so far?

The caption for the first target references bullseyes A, B and C…but not target F, which is unshot. The caption for the second target references bullseye F, which has been shot. I just rechecked Fred’s original submission, and the targets in this published blog were inserted in the same location where he inserted them. The copy for the rest of the article may not be appropriately placed in reference to the targets, but I’ll let Tom take care of addressing that later. We may edit the blog to move things around just a bit to make things clearer.

Edith

Good to hear from you! Hope to hear more when the dust settles. I haven’t heard from FrankB in awhile either. Hope all is well with him.

kevin

You never know that you are addicted. Others have to intervene.

B.B.

Great job! Weighing pellets does matter. I don’t wash, orient skirts or lube pellets much anymore. Only have one pcp that lubed pellets make a difference. Is it me or are the pictures of your two targets out of order for the article?

kevin

Nice job! It sounds like weighing is more effective than orientation. I like the ‘range’ you’ve got there. I have to use my side yard, open to the elements.

KA

I’m an expert at detecting airgun addicts. You’re one of them As if that weren’t enough, you’re also an airgun blog junkie

Edith

Since people kept raving about the Izh-61, I finally have a Izh-60 (I didn’t trust the plastic mags) and a daisy model 25 on the way, can’t wait to get them. I hope my next order will include the marauder pistol, the collection is growing and I’m starting to wonder where to put them is this a good thing ? When do you know you have an airgun addiction ?

J-F

Edith